Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/08/2006 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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+ HB 278 RETIREMENT SYSTEM BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 172 INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM BALLOT SUMMARY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 210 VIOL. OF ALCOHOLIC BEV. LAWS/FORFEITURE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
SENATE BILL NO. 172                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to the presentation of initiatives and                                                                     
     referenda on the ballot.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BALASH, STAFF,  SENATOR GENE  THERRIAULT, addressed  the                                                                   
bill.   He noted that current  law provides direction  to the                                                                   
lieutenant  governor to  prepare both  a ballot  title and  a                                                                   
summary for the  election ballot.  The summary  must be "true                                                                   
and  impartial"  and  is  limited  by  the  number  of  words                                                                   
allowed.  There is a separate  limitation for a ballot title.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SB 172 began as a measure to increase  the number of words in                                                                   
the title.  As laws become more  complex, more than six words                                                                   
are often needed  to describe them.  It became  apparent that                                                                   
more  words to  describe  the summary  were  also needed.  He                                                                   
stated  that the  fiscal note  was generated  by the  maximum                                                                   
allowable words per section, as set forth in the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  expressed  a desire  to  discuss  the                                                                   
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNEY BREWSTER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ELECTIONS,  commented                                                                   
on the  fiscal impact of  the bill.   She explained  that the                                                                   
bill  would make  it likely  that the  Division of  Elections                                                                   
would  have to  move to  two ballots.   She  stated that  the                                                                   
fiscal  note  reflects  anticipated   expenses  for  upcoming                                                                   
elections.  She also noted that  two initiatives would likely                                                                   
appear on the 2006 general election and primary ballots.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:28:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She noted that the division conducted  a special election for                                                                   
the Municipality  of Anchorage  in 2004, which  generated the                                                                   
figure to determine the cost for  forty districts to have two                                                                   
ballots.  She  added that this could potentially  increase to                                                                   
three ballots.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brewster   pointed  out   that  costs  included   hiring                                                                   
additional  temporary  employees, ballot  shipping,  postage,                                                                   
ballot  translation  into  indigenous   language,  additional                                                                   
information in  the election  pamphlet, advertisement  in the                                                                   
newspaper,  and an increase  in costs  for archiving  ballots                                                                   
after the election.  She also  noted that additional language                                                                   
on a  ballot increases  the time  used in  a voting  booth to                                                                   
read the language.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer opened the floor for public testimony.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SHIVELY,  HOLLAND  AMERICA,   ANCHORAGE,  testified  in                                                                   
support  of  the  bill.   He  pointed  out  that  initiatives                                                                   
pertaining  to his  industry  could not  be  captured in  100                                                                   
words.   He suggested that  as initiatives are  becoming more                                                                   
complicated, more words are required on ballots.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:33:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED  PUBLIC   TESTIMONY.    He  stated  his                                                                   
intention to hold the bill until  conversations could be held                                                                   
with the  Division of Elections,  and to hold  any amendments                                                                   
until that time.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  raised questions regarding  the fiscal                                                                   
note.    He  conceded that  the  trend  of  more  complicated                                                                   
initiatives required  some action, but expressed  surprise at                                                                   
the extent of the fiscal note.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  asked  whether  the fiscal  note  was                                                                   
generally  correct.   Mr.  Balash  noted that  the  sponsor's                                                                   
focus   had  been  on   the  number   of  ballots   required.                                                                   
Representative Hawker  followed up by commenting  on the size                                                                   
of the fiscal note.   Mr. Balash stated that  the sponsor did                                                                   
not question the assumptions of the fiscal note.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:39:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker asked whether  a maximum of  500 words                                                                   
would   be  sufficient   to   describe   even  something   as                                                                   
complicated as  the cruise ship  tax initiative.   Mr. Balash                                                                   
recalled the previous year and  the sponsor's concern about a                                                                   
very large bill  with 129 words in the title.   He speculated                                                                   
what would  have happened  if that bill  was taken  through a                                                                   
referendum process.   He continued  that it was  difficult to                                                                   
describe the scope of such a large bill in few words.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  expressed  concern that two pages on                                                                   
a ballot  might make  initiatives even  more confusing.   She                                                                   
also noted  that it  was more  difficult to  abridge than  to                                                                   
expand a description.   She suggested that it  is a difficult                                                                   
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked for the sponsor's  intentions on                                                                   
proceeding with the bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Balash noted that his work  with the bill had ended after                                                                   
leaving the  Judiciary Committee,  but he expressed  openness                                                                   
to further suggestions.   He referred to discussion  with the                                                                   
Lieutenant Governor's  office regarding  the number  of words                                                                   
per  page.   He  referred  to  past ballots,  such  as  those                                                                   
contained  in  the  2004  general  election.    He  expressed                                                                   
concern from  the sponsor that  the type font not  be reduced                                                                   
in order to accommodate the number of pages.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula explained  that  Amendment #1  would                                                                   
allow for  an attachment  to a petition  or referendum.   She                                                                   
proposed that  information be  made available at  the polling                                                                   
location,  as opposed to  having it  contained on the  actual                                                                   
ballot.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Balash stated that the motivation  of the sponsor is that                                                                   
the  voters have  the  information.   He  asked how  absentee                                                                   
ballots would be addressed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  recommended that for  absentee ballots                                                                   
a check box could be included,  or it could be printed in the                                                                   
official election pamphlet.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:47:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Balash  thought  those would  be  reasonable  ideas  for                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly asked  about  the $237,000  assumption.                                                                   
Mr.  Balash   said  he  understood   the  direction   of  the                                                                   
assumption, but preferred not  to speak for the division.  He                                                                   
asked if  the division would  speak to  that.  He  noted that                                                                   
the sponsor accepted the assumption.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly voiced concern about that.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:50:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  CHIEF OF STAFF,  OFFICE OF  THE LIEUTENANT                                                                   
GOVERNOR, stated  that there is no pamphlet  during a primary                                                                   
election.  She said that her office  welcomes scrutiny on the                                                                   
fiscal note.   She asked  the director  to not use  the worse                                                                   
case scenario.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brewster  commented  on  posting  the  language  at  the                                                                   
polling place.  She said it is  currently required by law and                                                                   
is  posted in  three locations  in  the polling  place.   She                                                                   
offered to answer questions associated with the note.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked about  the printing cost of $237,000.                                                                   
Ms. Brewster replied that it is  a hard cost at .37 cents per                                                                   
ballot.   The number of ballots  printed in the  2004 general                                                                   
election was 642,000.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault asked  why 642,000  ballots were  printed.                                                                   
Ms.  Brewster   responded  that  the  number   included  test                                                                   
ballots.   The number  is based  on what  was printed  in the                                                                   
2004 election.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault inquired  how  many people  voted in  that                                                                   
election.  Ms. Brewster offered  to provide that information.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault stated  his  intent to  hold  the bill  to                                                                   
discuss  the  fiscal  note costs.    Ms.  Brewster  addressed                                                                   
solutions.   She  offered  to  provide an  official  election                                                                   
pamphlet, which would  include all of the language  and would                                                                   
provide a smaller note.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  stated that  would  be discussed  at  the                                                                   
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  pointed out that the  pamphlet would                                                                   
allow both sides to present their information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SB 210 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         

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